Thursday, November 26, 2015

masonic and other denial that lucifer is satan refuted

a trope one can find in masonic and other writing is that Lucifer is not satan. Oddly
the same idea that these are separate beings crops up in Malachi Martin's statement
in an interview once, probably drawn from misinformation acquired during an
exorcism. Though that  statement still identified them both as evil, the distinction
is dangerous.

An argument on Constance Cumbey's blog by a New Ager or whatever Thomas
Dahlheimer, goes as follows: Isa 14:12 refers to Adam not satan, and that you can't
equate a shining being with darkness that satan is described as being, that Adam
was once light being made in the image and likeness of God but fell, was cut down
to the ground since he was made to work for his food and would return to dust for
dust he was.  Jesus' references to satan as murderer and liar "from the beginning" ]
rule out satan having ever been light.

Firstly, "from the beginning" is a term that relates to the beginning of the physical
creation and even before. In Psalms there is a reference to the sons of God (angels,
conscious beings special creations of God), rejoicing at the creation of the universe
by God. So satan's fall would have been at some point around the beginning of the
physical creation. The angels apparently were created before that.

Cumbey responding to an earlier post of a theosophic bent that equated Lucifer with
The Holy Spirit and similarly tried to distance Lucifer from satan, said "Jesus said he beheld Satan fall as lightning from Heaven. Isaiah 14 says "how art thou fallen from Heaven, O Lucifer . . ." (same link).

this in itself is the clearest most authoritative identification of Lucifer with satan.

Secondly, the context of the Isaiah quote is that it is addressed to the king of Babylon.
Isa. 14:4 "That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say,
How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!" etc. etc.Adam was already
long dead before Babylon existed. Adam had already been cut down to the ground
in his death,  while this addressed an event yet to happen. And Adam was never an
oppressive ruler and destroyer of cities and so forth.

But Ezekiel chapter 28 is the real big deal. Here the king of Tyre is addressed first
in terms that make sense being said to a mere man. Then more things are said that
nothing human could have been doing "thou hast been in Eden the garden of God;
every precious stone was thy covering" NOT ADAM, HE WAS NAKED THEN
WORE FIG LEAVES THEN ANIMAL SKINS. "...anointed cherub that
covereth....thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. thou
was perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, A PAGAN KING
COULD BE PERFECT IN HIS WAYS? "till iniquity was found in thee..."

here a supernatural being is addressed, one in some real close relationship to the

king of Tyre, perhaps what Malachi Martin called perfect possession, and supposedly
there is no cure no exorcism for it. I think there is a cure, repentance by the human
element of this combine and retreat from the association as fast as possible and self
monitoring to eliminate states of mind whether friendly to the relationship or a
product of it including pleasures and states of mind enjoyed.

the point is made that Lucifer was the name given venus by the Latins who knew
that it was a planet not a star, planets move. Venus sometimes precedes the dawn
so is the morning star, sometimes Mars is the morning star. And therefore venus is
a FAKE star.

"there is no honest way we can say Satan was ever a glorious, shining, angel of light with the name of Lucifer. If this be true, how then, can Isa. 14:12 be speaking of Satan? " (Dahlheimer same link.)

because satan or ha-satan means The Adversary in Hebrew. he is the adversary of
God, man and of all creation being the source of teaching that the creation is not
good as God said it was but that matter is inferior and evil and unclean in and of
itself and spirit is good when in fact all evil begins at the level of spirit, which acts
through matter, choosing either good or evil.

the Lucifer character in the OT is clearly something once glorious now struck down
for having done evil, something deceptively glorious and powerful in appearance
but capable of being defeated something that brings ruin to others and something
in which is iniquity. They are clearly the same.

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